Feb 19, 2013; Peoria, AZ, USA; Seattle Mariners relief pitcher Erasmo Ramirez (50) poses for a picture during the Mariners photo day at Peoria Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Rick Scuteri-USA TODAY Sports

Erasmo Sent to AAA

Last week I wrote about the then tight race for the last two rotation spots. Well, things have changed rather quickly on that front. Jon Garland was granted his release and quickly scooped up by Colorado, and it was recently announced that Erasmo Ramirez had been optioned to Triple-A.

If you read my last post, you know I was a huge Erasmo advocate. He pitched very well in his brief time last year, and has a great repertoire of pitches, along with good control of all of them. As you may assume, this news rubbed me the wrong way. Ground (Grinded? Groundeded?) my gears. Insert clever analogy for my anger here. It is taking a lot of control to not go all Dave Cameron-John Jaso trade, mixed with the strong language that Jeff Sullivan enjoys to use, on this post. It should be clear to everyone that Erasmo Ramirez is better than both Blake Beavan and Jeremy Bonderman, and safer than Brandon Maurer, but apparently that’s not the case for some. It just so happens that “some” in this case is the people who matter the most and actually make the decisions.

I talked to numerous people about this situation when it was first reported that Erasmo’s spot may be in danger. A majority of them felt like Erasmo was pretty much a lock for the #4 spot, as he should have been. One of those conversations was with our own Joel Condreay on Twitter. He said something to the effect of “I can’t image a situation where Erasmo was not in the rotation.” To which I replied, “Neither can I. But I am sure Wedge can.” Well, unfortunately that turned out to be the case here.

There was a report that Erasmo was dealing with some arm soreness and that could have played a role in the decision. Maybe they want him to start in AAA and stretch him back out to make sure he can handle it. Which very well could be true. However, it seems unlikely as he hasn’t missed any appearances due to injury, so it can’t be too serious.

The other worry I have is that even if Erasmo is injury-free and pitching well, the organization will fail to see that, and will continue to go with Beavan just because they can, and don’t see the errors of their ways.

I have attempted to rationalize this move, and it was difficult. There are a few big reasons why things like this happen: Injury (which I already discussed), past performance, spring performance, and experience.

The thing is, none of these add up. In terms of past performance, Erasmo clearly beats Beavan and for the most part Bonderman. And Maurer doesn’t even have any past performance. In terms of Spring Performance, it makes a little more sense. IF you want to use Spring Training as a basis for your decisions and actual give weight to spring stats (which you shouldn’t whatsoever), there can be an argument. However, Beavan just got roughed up the other day, and Bonderman got shelled today. Maurer is the only person who you can definitively say has been better than Erasmo. And as for experience, that can pretty much be thrown out the window as Maurer looks to be a favorite and he hasn’t even pitched in AAA.

Also, just for funsies,  here is a comparison of Erasmo, Beavan and Bonderman for their careers. Obviously the sample size varies with both, especially Erasmo, but it is still accurate in my opinion, and reflects future performance very well.

The only logical explanation actually lies in a lack of logic. Wedge and the others involved are not great decision makers, and just do not know how to effectively build a ball club and evaluate talent. Unfortunately, that is starting to become increasingly apparent as his tenure goes on.

I know I went a little over the top here, but I just do not get this move at all, and it leads me to question the decision making of this current Front Office and coaching staff.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.richardson.127 Brian Richardson

    I really like how this guy tries to pass his opinion off as it were fact.

    • Guest

      When did I do that? Please, enlighten me. The second paragraphs pretty clearly displays that this is my opinion on the matter, in the phrases “I was an Erasmo advocate” and “rubbed me the wrong way”, and my explanation of how angry I was about it. I never claimed anything as fact if it wasnt. I am not going to precede everything I saw with “This is my opinion.” No one does that.
      And most writers do use their opinion in cases when they are giving their opinion on a topic…

  • Guest

    What is this…………”The other worry I have is that even if Erasmo is injury-free and pitching well, the organization will fail to see that, and will continue to go with Beavan just because they can, and don’t see the errors of their ways”
    The error of their ways? That is just your opinion?

    • Guest

      Well it’s pretty obvious to most people that Erasmo is better than Beavan, but Wedge has not shown to be a great talent evaluator.

      I don’t see why you want to make such a big deal out of it. It was clear that this was an opinion driven post. If you don’t like what I say, don’t read. Pretty simple.

  • Guest

    And who are these ‘numerous’ people you talked to? Do you have confidential sources?

    • Guest

      Didnt say they were special. Just various people, one of them I stated in the article. Just people I know. Never claimed they were sources or anything like that. Just the opinions of Mariners fans/writers etc.

      You seem to be very adamant about this, and it doesn’t make sense. I never claimed that any of this was fact. That’s on you. It’s all my opinion, but some of it should be common sense as well.

      What’s your problem anyway? Have you ever read Dave Cameron or Jeff Sullivan? You would hate them if one little post by me gets you so riled up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.richardson.127 Brian Richardson

    For starters when you say ” It should be clear to everyone that Erasmo Ramirez is better than both Blake Beavan and Jeremy Bonderman, and safer than Brandon Maurer”.

    So it should be clear to everyone because? I follow the team very closely, have been to multiple spring games, I follow stats as well. I will admit that I like Ramirez, but to say that he is better than the 3 is a stretch, it is your opinion, not fact, and it is absolutely NOT CLEAR TO EVERYONE, as you say it should be.

    Also who are the ‘numerous’ people you spoke to who felt like Erasmo was pretty much a lock for the #4 spot, as he should have been? Do you have team sources? Was this a conversation with some friends?
    Anonymous or Confidential sources?

    • Guest

      The regular season stats, as well as his stuff and how he projects, makes it clear that he is better than Beavan and Bonderman. Maurer is still up in the air, but he figures to be just as good now, and bette in the future. But it’s a no brainer, Erasmo>Beavan and Bonderman. You would be hard pressed to find a knowledgable person who disagrees with that. You answered your own question. I said it should be clear to everyone. I didnt say it is. In my opinion, it should be painfully obvious that Erasmo is better.

      But from now on, I will be sure to add ” In my opinion” to ever sentence that isn’t a fact, because apparantly it is hard to tell the difference.

      I request that you either be more constructive with your feedback, or just stop commenting all together as this is going nowhere.

  • http://twitter.com/Nick6Harris Nick harris

    How do you say that spring training should not matter in deciding who makes the team? We have a lot of good players battling for not a lot of spots. I think looking at a players past (especially a young player with a small sample size) is ignorant. This brings in the that competition that we need in Seattle.

    • JJ Allen Keller

      I never said it shouldnt matter. But sometimes you have to look past spring and see the true player. Just because Beavan does better in the spring than Erasmo, or Walker, Or Hultzen, does that mean he will be a better pitcher in the future? No, not at all.

      Spring training stats do not give an accurate picture of what is to come. Morse is not going to lead the league in HR. Guys like Raul, Bay, etc will not hit over .300 like they are. Maurer will not have a 0.90 ERA. It is silly to put stock into spring training stats and think it will carry over to the regular season. It doesnt.

      It is absolutely not ignorant to look at a players past performance. That is exactly what you should be looking at. What he has done in past regular seasons, as well as what they project to do.

      It what way is looking at what a player has done ignorant? How do you think people evaluate and judge players? With what they have done, and how that will turn out in the future. Not with inflated spring training stats against poor/inaccurate competition.

      I have never heard someone say that using past performance to judge a player is ignorant. Thats exactly how everyone does it, and the most accurate way to do so. But you have to be able to add context to their past. Aging players will most likely decline. Younger players will likely improve.

  • maqman

    Erasmo wasn’t chosen to join the rotation because he had experienced a triceps problem that slowed his ability to build up his arm strength The team made this clear and he is being sent to Tacoma to allow him to rectify the problem. Nobody has indicated that he isn’t wanted in the rotation, simply he needs to get fit enough to perform to his obvious abilities.