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Michael Pineda To The Yankees and Jesus Montero To Mariners Trade

Here is the deal as it looks right now. Michael Pineda and Jose Campos are being traded to the Yankees and in return we got Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi. A very fair but interesting swap. Not all the details have been released. There are still reports coming in and it probably won’t be finalized until Sunday. At this point and it’s hard to say one way or another that this is a “bad” or “good” trade.

Having Jose Campos also apart of this deal kind of makes me flinch. Initially, my reaction had me shaking my head at the thought of losing Jose Campos as I really like him and think he was one of the better pitchers in the Mariners minor league system. The fact is he’s only 19 years old and while we would all love him to be the next Felix Hernandez or Michael Pineda, he’s just not that at this point. Though, as I stated on twitter, his future is incredibly bright and I anticipate that being a sincere disappointment of this trade in the future.

There is Hector Noesi, who is basically another Erasmo Ramirez, but with better stuff. His fastball velocity sits around 93 and his slider and change-up combo looks like it’s been progressing. He was moved to the bullpen last year and I wonder what the Mariners might do with Noesi and suspect they will give him an opportunity in the rotation, but most likely he’ll end up in the bullpen.

I don’t think this is “the move” but rather a piece of the off-season puzzle. I could be wrong, but I’m holding my breath right now with the thought that this isn’t the whole context and to judge this single trade we’re going to need a better picture to say one way or another how smart this move is.

Topics: Hector Noesi, Jesus Montero, Jose Campos, Michael Pineda

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  • Prf999

    Love it…..we get an impact bat, for a long time mind you. I did like Pineda, but since he only has 2 pitches I really like this……really. Now, what’s the plan for Montero…..C? Doubt it. DH? High possibility. 1B? Aaahhhhhh……now that’s the real question. Are we still looking for another bat(I.e. Fielder)? Does Z believe Carp and Smoak fit our left handed needs? Montero is from Venezuela…. Good for King Felix. Love this but it throws a wrench in things……

  • Johnny O

    Pinero was developing a very nice change at the end of the year. I have no faith in Z’s evaluation of pitchers. Hey lets trade a starter for a closer Morrow/League. How about a number 3 starter under team control for a right handed left fielding platoon player and a long reliever Fister/Casper/Furbush.. There is a lot more to it then anyone might be interested, in, but after being a fan since the days of Rupert Jones – I am about done.

  • Prf999

    Love it…..we get an impact bat, for a long time mind you. I did like Pineda, but since he only has 2 pitches I really like this……really. Now, what’s the plan for Montero…..C? Doubt it. DH? High possibility. 1B? Aaahhhhhh……now that’s the real question. Are we still looking for another bat(I.e. Fielder)? Does Z believe Carp and Smoak fit our left handed needs? Montero is from Venezuela…. Good for King Felix. Love this but it throws a wrench in things……

  • Johnny O

    Pinero was developing a very nice change at the end of the year. I have no faith in Z’s evaluation of pitchers. Hey lets trade a starter for a closer Morrow/League. How about a number 3 starter under team control for a right handed left fielding platoon player and a long reliever Fister/Casper/Furbush.. There is a lot more to it then anyone might be interested, in, but after being a fan since the days of Rupert Jones – I am about done.

  • TPC

    We got a potential great hitter and lost a potential great pitcher. There isn’t a hitter in the draft that has the comps of Montero. There are pitchers with the number 3 pick that comp with Pineda.

    It’s a fair trade but I lean towards the Yanks as getting a slight edge in this deal. The interesting thing is the Yankee fans are asking “How did Seattle get Smoak and Montero”? So, JZ is doing OK even though the media doesn’t like the Seattle end.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @Johnny O The M’s are a pitching factory right now. They have an absolute ton of top shelf pitching. Neither Pineda nor Fister are have the ceiling that Paxton or Hultzen do, and Walker is better still. The M’s have the pitching depth to make this trade, and they do so because Z has one of the best eye’s for pitching talent in all of baseball.

  • TPC

    We got a potential great hitter and lost a potential great pitcher. There isn’t a hitter in the draft that has the comps of Montero. There are pitchers with the number 3 pick that comp with Pineda.

    It’s a fair trade but I lean towards the Yanks as getting a slight edge in this deal. The interesting thing is the Yankee fans are asking “How did Seattle get Smoak and Montero”? So, JZ is doing OK even though the media doesn’t like the Seattle end.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @Johnny O The M’s are a pitching factory right now. They have an absolute ton of top shelf pitching. Neither Pineda nor Fister are have the ceiling that Paxton or Hultzen do, and Walker is better still. The M’s have the pitching depth to make this trade, and they do so because Z has one of the best eye’s for pitching talent in all of baseball.

  • Johnny O

    The reason Fister would be valuable is as a cost controlled #3 or #4. I have not seen Paxton or Walker pitch. I have seen Hultzen pitch. And the idea that Hultzen has more upside then Pineda, well, I strongly disagree. Pineda with an effective change is at least a #2. Don’t get me wrong. I am excited about Hultzen. He is going to be a solid major league starter. But better then Pineda…

    I would like to be wrong. Can you point out to me how Z has one of the best eyes for pitching talent in baseball?

  • Johnny O

    The reason Fister would be valuable is as a cost controlled #3 or #4. I have not seen Paxton or Walker pitch. I have seen Hultzen pitch. And the idea that Hultzen has more upside then Pineda, well, I strongly disagree. Pineda with an effective change is at least a #2. Don’t get me wrong. I am excited about Hultzen. He is going to be a solid major league starter. But better then Pineda…

    I would like to be wrong. Can you point out to me how Z has one of the best eyes for pitching talent in baseball?

  • maqman

    Nobody can tell who won or lost this deal for some years to come. I value Pineda and Campos highly but realize you have to give to get. Hopefully this will quiet down the BIG BAT BRIGADE, at least for a while and even more hopefully will allow us to avoid a Princely albatross. Montero and Stanton are possibly the only two right handed hitters who can handle The Safe. As for Montero’s catching ability it would be damn near impossible for him to be too much worse than the bean bags we have sat behind the dish the past few years. Hector Noesi doesn’t have the potential of Campos, however he is a realistic prospect for the rotation, about as real as Furbush, and he’s there now and not in years down the road. With Hultzen, K-Pax and Walker we should be in good shape arm wise in the future. JZ traded potential for immediate contributions, which is realistic and helps us have a decent team to watch this season. Get those season ticket orders in.

  • maqman

    Nobody can tell who won or lost this deal for some years to come. I value Pineda and Campos highly but realize you have to give to get. Hopefully this will quiet down the BIG BAT BRIGADE, at least for a while and even more hopefully will allow us to avoid a Princely albatross. Montero and Stanton are possibly the only two right handed hitters who can handle The Safe. As for Montero’s catching ability it would be damn near impossible for him to be too much worse than the bean bags we have sat behind the dish the past few years. Hector Noesi doesn’t have the potential of Campos, however he is a realistic prospect for the rotation, about as real as Furbush, and he’s there now and not in years down the road. With Hultzen, K-Pax and Walker we should be in good shape arm wise in the future. JZ traded potential for immediate contributions, which is realistic and helps us have a decent team to watch this season. Get those season ticket orders in.

  • maqman

    A reader of Dave Cameron’s post about the trade compared Montero, J. Upton, M. Stanton and J. Heyward through their respective ages 18 through 21 years. The short story is he’s as good or better than them. The reader’s handle is everdiso and his figures are about 1/4 of the way down the page at:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/yankees-land-michael-pineda-dont-pay-retail/ He got 30 likes from readers for it.

  • maqman

    A reader of Dave Cameron’s post about the trade compared Montero, J. Upton, M. Stanton and J. Heyward through their respective ages 18 through 21 years. The short story is he’s as good or better than them. The reader’s handle is everdiso and his figures are about 1/4 of the way down the page at:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/yankees-land-michael-pineda-dont-pay-retail/ He got 30 likes from readers for it.

  • Prf999

    I hope this turns out like the Jay Buhner/Ken Phelps trade…….

  • Prf999

    I hope this turns out like the Jay Buhner/Ken Phelps trade…….

  • Uncle Al

    Both the Yankees and Mariners think Montero will be an adequate Catcher and they’ve got a year to work it out. Olivo will not be here next year under any condition and should be traded this year if possible. The roster construction doesn’t work with Montero, Jaso, and Olivo on the ML roster unless Montero is the DH and signing Fielder complicates the situation even more. The offense has questions about 7 of their starters as things stand so this really is a year to let them play and see what happens. And more moves must be coming as they still have money to spend.

  • Uncle Al

    Both the Yankees and Mariners think Montero will be an adequate Catcher and they’ve got a year to work it out. Olivo will not be here next year under any condition and should be traded this year if possible. The roster construction doesn’t work with Montero, Jaso, and Olivo on the ML roster unless Montero is the DH and signing Fielder complicates the situation even more. The offense has questions about 7 of their starters as things stand so this really is a year to let them play and see what happens. And more moves must be coming as they still have money to spend.

  • maqman

    @Uncle Al I agree, they absolutely need to answer some questions this year. I’d still include Moore in the catcher mix, he started to hit during the second half of the AFL last fall. However if Moore and Saunders don’t show something this season they could be gone.

  • Uncle Al

    maqman

    It looks like quite a few descent catchers could be FA’s next year so time will sort out that situation as they will have some additional money next year to pick somebody up if they think it’s necessary. I had two players who I thought needed to make progress last year to really help out the M’s and neither of them broke out. Saunders looked terrible and Triunfel just wasn’t real impressive and he still has a little time as he is quite young.

  • maqman

    @Uncle Al I agree, they absolutely need to answer some questions this year. I’d still include Moore in the catcher mix, he started to hit during the second half of the AFL last fall. However if Moore and Saunders don’t show something this season they could be gone.

  • Uncle Al

    maqman

    It looks like quite a few descent catchers could be FA’s next year so time will sort out that situation as they will have some additional money next year to pick somebody up if they think it’s necessary. I had two players who I thought needed to make progress last year to really help out the M’s and neither of them broke out. Saunders looked terrible and Triunfel just wasn’t real impressive and he still has a little time as he is quite young.

  • maqman

    @Johnny O Well if you think Walker, K-Pax and Hultzen signed in two years indicates JZ doesn’t know pitchers then you will get your wish to be wrong. Congratulations! Just ignore my suggestion to get your season ticket order in.

  • maqman

    @Johnny O Well if you think Walker, K-Pax and Hultzen signed in two years indicates JZ doesn’t know pitchers then you will get your wish to be wrong. Congratulations! Just ignore my suggestion to get your season ticket order in.