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		<title>Mariners Replace Vargas with&#8230;Vargas?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matthias Kullowatz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hidden underneath the Felix Hernandez hullabaloo, one might not have noticed that the Mariners signed lefty Joe Saunders to a one-year deal worth in the neighborhood of $6M, possibly with an option for 2014. Without knowing the specifics of the contract, this is still a deal I was hoping the M’s would make. Back in November, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hidden underneath the Felix Hernandez hullabaloo, one might not have noticed that the Mariners signed lefty Joe Saunders to a one-year deal worth in the neighborhood of $6M, possibly with an <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mariners/2013/02/07/joe-saunders-to-sign-with-seattle-mariners/1900951/">option</a> for 2014. Without knowing the specifics of the contract, this is still a deal I was hoping the M’s would make.</p>
<p>Back in November, I wrote about the importance of <a href="http://sodomojo.com/2012/11/26/shoring-up-the-rotation/">improving the current</a> staff before the Big Three are ready. I was hoping for a number 2 starter to bump everyone down a slot in the rotation, and then the team went in the opposite direction, trading away Jason Vargas. That left us here:</p>
<p>1) Felix</p>
<p>2) Iwakuma</p>
<p>3) Ramirez</p>
<p>4) Beavan</p>
<p>5) Noesi? Furbush? Hultzen?</p>
<p>Counting on any more than <em>zero</em> WAR from Noesi, et. al. would have been somewhat optimistic, considering Noesi lit up the leaderboards for -0.7 fWAR last season, Furbush hasn’t started in more than a year, and Hultzen gave up a walk rate of 14% in the high minors last season. The addition of Saunders to the rotation adds an expected 2-ish wins for the M’s this season because he is effectively replacing a steaming pile of manure—from a baseball perspective, anyway.</p>
<p>Getting to know Saunders a little better basically requires that you remember that guy mentioned up there named Vargas. Check out the similarities over the last three seasons:</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/65/files/2013/02/66509101.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-10282" title="MLB: ALDS-Baltimore Orioles at New York Yankees" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/65/files/2013/02/66509101-300x204.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="204" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">William Perlman/THE STAR-LEDGER via USA TODAY Sports</p></div>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><strong>Stat</strong></td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><strong>Vargas</strong></td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><strong>Saunders</strong></td>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">ERA</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">3.96</p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">4.07</p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">xFIP-</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">109</p>
</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">110</p>
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<tr>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">K%</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">15.2%</p>
</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">13.4%</p>
</td>
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<tr>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">BB%</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">6.6%</p>
</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">6.8%</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">K/BB</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">2.3</p>
</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">2.0</p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">Flyball%</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">43.7%</p>
</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">35.8%</p>
</td>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">FB Velocity</td>
<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">87.3</p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right">90</p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><strong><em>WAR</em></strong></td>
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<p align="right"><strong><em>5.2</em></strong></p>
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<td valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap">
<p align="right"><strong><em>5.2</em></strong></p>
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<p>Saunders throws a little harder, though neither throws fireballs, and he gives up fewer fly balls. Vargas had a slightly better K/BB ratio, and edged Saunders in ERA and park-adjusted xFIP. In the end, both contributed equal amounts of WAR to his team. But we have to remember that Vargas was playing in a ballpark practically built for him. While WAR <em>does</em> account for ballparks to a certain extent, it’s not tailored to adjust for individual players. Vargas had a special relationship with SafeCo that should have made his wife jealous. Even if we account for moving in the fences, Saunders can probably still expect to get extra value out of the marine air, solid outfield defense, and whatever other voodoo is at work in SafeCo.</p>
<p>And hey, if the salary reports are true, Saunders will cost less than Vargas this season. So it’s kind of like we got a cost-controlled Kendrys Morales,  along with a cheaper Jason Vargas, for Jason Vargas. If you can’t tell, I really like this signing.</p>
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		<title>The Mariners Add Power-Hitting Kendrys Morales</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joel Condreay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, the Mariners helped to fill a hole that had been gaping in their lineup for years by adding power-hitter Kendrys Morales. In order to add this 29 year-old first baseman, Seattle sent Jason Vargas to the Angels. This was an excellent deal for Seattle for two main reasons. First of all, Seattle gained something [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, the Mariners helped to fill a hole that had been gaping in their lineup for years by adding power-hitter Kendrys Morales. In order to add this 29 year-old first baseman, Seattle sent Jason Vargas to the Angels.</p>
<p>This was an excellent deal for Seattle for two main reasons. First of all, Seattle gained something they dearly needed without spending money. In addition, they gave up a piece that was, not only unimportant to the team’s future, but was on the verge of losing its value.</p>
<p>Morales is an impact bat. He’s no Josh Hamilton, but he has certainly demonstrated his ability to be a legitimate power hitter. In Morales’ only full season in the MLB, which was 2009, he posted a .924 OPS and finished fifth in AL MVP voting. In the following year of 2010, he averaged a homerun every nineteen at bats before injuring himself celebrating a walk-off homerun just fifty-one games into the season.</p>
<p>Morales missed the rest of the 2010 season and the entire 2011 campaign as a result of the injury before coming back to play 134 games last year. In his limited opportunities, he hit twenty-two homeruns and posted a line of .273/.320/.476.</p>
<p>Remember that those numbers were produced by a man who had not played in almost two years. His numbers improved as the year progressed, so now that he has shaken off the cobwebs, he is ready to be the player he was pre-injury. For those of you worried about his health, the Mariners did extensive research concerning the status of his injury before making this deal, so it appears that he is ready to play every day at first base.</p>
<p>With the switch-hitting Morales in the middle of Seattle’s order, the young players around him will have a lot less pressure mounted on their back and they are now more likely to come to the plate with men on base. The addition of Morales will help everyone in the lineup.</p>
<p>As for losing Jason Vargas, I am not at all disappointed. As I have said in previous articles, I believe that Vargas would have quickly lost value once dropped into the habitat of the new Safeco Field. His success has been largely due to the pitcher-friendly ballpark, but with the fences coming in, Vargas’ numbers at home would have reflected the new dimensions. He would have had close to no trade value by the trade deadline next year. It was wise to move him now.</p>
<p>Vargas’ loss will also not damage Seattle’s future considering there are lots of great young pitchers in the top of the farm system that will step up into the void left by Vargas by the time that Seattle is in the playoff hunt.</p>
<p>There is nothing not to like about the long-term effects of this trade. Seattle now has a dependable middle of the lineup bat, something that they have not had since Raul Ibanez.</p>
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		<title>Seattle&#8217;s Future for the Starting Rotation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joel Condreay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The future of the starting rotation in Seattle looks pretty bright between the dominance of King Felix and the future of the big three, but there are still many conversations to be had on the subject. First of all, Felix Hernandez should not be traded. The Mariners have a 26 year old Cy Young winner [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future of the starting rotation in Seattle looks pretty bright between the dominance of King Felix and the future of the big three, but there are still many conversations to be had on the subject.</p>
<p>First of all, Felix Hernandez should not be traded. The Mariners have a 26 year old Cy Young winner in their grasp, why would they trade him? With the possible exceptions of Mike Trout, Clayton Kershaw, and Giancarlo Stanton, there is not a better player to build a team around than King Felix, in my opinion. If Seattle is trying to build a winning team, there isn’t a better guy to start with than Hernandez.</p>
<p>Jason Vargas is an interesting case because he is a pitcher who has really benefited from playing in Safeco Field. Take a look at these splits from last year.</p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213"></td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">Vargas at Home</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">Vargas on the Road</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">ERA</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">2.74</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">4.78</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">FIP</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">3.61</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">5.59</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">WHIP</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">1.02</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">1.31</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">K/BB</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">3.14</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">2.18</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">HR/9</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">.82</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">1.97</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">wOBP</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">.260</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">.347</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">SLG</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">.327</p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="213">
<p align="center">.495</p>
</td>
</tr>
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<div id="attachment_9894" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/65/files/2012/11/6529812.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-9894" title="MLB: Seattle Mariners at Minnesota Twins" src="http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/65/files/2012/11/6529812-300x204.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="204" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Vargas leaving the mound after a poor road start. Credit: Jesse Johnson-US PRESSWIRE</p></div>
<p>As you can see, Vargas is not a great pitcher when he isn’t in the friendly confines of Safeco Field. With the fences moving in this year, Vargas’ value has diminished even more than before. The deep dimensions of left field and left center have had a direct correlation to Vargas’ success.</p>
<p>Outside of Seattle, he is probably a decent bottom of the rotation starter, but he has become a number two starter with the Mariners because of the stadium. Once the fences are brought in, we may see an instantaneous dip in the lefty’s numbers in the upcoming year, and for this reason, I am hesitant to pencil in Vargas as a starter of the future. He certainly won’t be a top of the rotation guy like he is right now.</p>
<p>Hisashi Iwakuma is another interesting pitcher in Seattle right now. He was brought here last offseason on a one year contract. After spring training, he was put in the bullpen before being promoted to the rotation mid-season where he shined. However, he too had more success in Safeco Field than in other ballparks, although the correlation was not as dramatic as in Vargas’ case. Now that he has a more substantial two-year contract, it appears that the 31 year old will be here for a bit longer. He could be a good middle of the rotation man down the road if he continues to post solid numbers as long as he remains affordable.</p>
<p>Last season, we had two young arms at the bottom of the rotation who struggled in Blake Beavan and Hector Noesi. These two guys had an xFIP of 5.01 and 5.08 respectively. They also posted a .288 and .266 BABIP respectively, so essentially, these guys posted horrible stats even when luck was on their side. What is going to happen when they aren’t getting lucky? Unless extreme strides are made in the coming seasons, I don’t see either of these pitchers being anything more than place holders in the bottom of the rotation until guys from the farm system are developed.</p>
<p>One of the young arms that is commonly overlooked is Erasmo Ramirez. The 22 year old rookie got limited time last year, but he put up better numbers than anyone realizes. As a starter, his 7.85 K/9 was better than any Mariner starter besides Felix. His 1.53 BB/9 was better than any starter besides Beavan, and Ramirez’ FIP and xFIP were both second among Seattle starters behind just King Felix. Let me reiterate that these numbers excluded Ramirez’ relief appearances, so they were only his stats as a starter. I think that Ramirez has earned a spot in the starting rotation next season, and I would much rather see him as the fourth starter over Beavan or Noesi.</p>
<p>There may be a few other starting pitching options currently at the major league level as well. Charlie Furbush has started games during his minor and major league careers and is capable of switching back to the rotation after spending 2012 in the bullpen. Historically, he hasn’t had much success starting games, but don’t rule him out as a possibility in the starting rotation next year.</p>
<p>Although improbable, Tom Wilhelmsen is another name that you may see penciled into the rotation. Many people forget that he was a starter in the minor leagues before moving to the Seattle bullpen. His power style of pitching fits better in the bullpen, but thanks to the diabolical curveball that he developed and the changeup that he refined into a reliable pitch last year, his stuff is beginning to look quite suitable for the rotation. There are a lot of good young arms in the bullpen such as Pryor, Capps, and Luetge, so the organization may feel comfortable enough with the pen to try to reestablish Wilhelmsen as a starting pitcher. I wouldn’t bet on this move, but it’s certainly within the realm of possibility.</p>
<p>The big 3, Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen, and James Paxton, are all exciting prospects in the Mariner organization and are currently the number 4, 8, and 74 prospects in all of baseball respectively according to MLB.com. I won’t call Danny Hultzen a “sure thing,” but it seems that Hultzen has already been penciled into the starting rotation of the future. The question becomes just how good the second overall pick will be. He has a very high floor as a prospect, so he should be at least a four or five starter down the road. Hopefully, he will become a top of the rotation arm, and he appears to have the stuff to fit there.</p>
<p>Taijuan Walker is a very different prospect from Hultzen. He is a high risk high reward player. His potential is incredible, but he not nearly as certain to realize his potential as his counterpart. I might compare Walker to Blue Jay starter, Ricky Romero. Like Romero, there is no doubt that Walker has the raw stuff to be a dominant major league pitcher, but it becomes a matter of putting all the pieces together and being successful.</p>
<p>There is a pretty good chance that one of these three guys will be traded at some point for a good bat. If the Mariners are successful in trading for Billy Butler this offseason, it seems almost certainly that one of these prospects will be moved.</p>
<p>Apart from the big 3, there are a few other good pitching prospects in Seattle’s organization. Among these are Brandon Maurer, Jordan Shipers, Tyler Pike, Andrew Carraway, Mauricio Robles, and 17 year old Victor Sanchez.</p>
<p>Considering Seattle has one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball and one of the deepest minor league pitching staffs in baseball, it appears that the Mariners will have a very strong starting rotation in the future.</p>
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