King For A Day: My Turn

by Mariners General

Back before I became the editor for Seahawks blog on this network, I was the resident armchair GM here on SoDo Mojo. It only seem right that I check in with my version of an offseason plan for Mariners. Harrison already gave his ideas, and I can assure that his are more well researched than minewill be.

Basic Theory: Stop Rebuilding and Start Building

The Mariners have unloaded all of the old awful Bavasi contracts but one, and Ichiro’s contract is up after this year. There’s no reason to continue trading away players for prospects. Plus, the 3 years under Jack Zduriencik has been the M’s farm system go from being on of the worst in baseball to being in the top 10. The minor leagues are now of talent and depth. It’s time to begin using those assets to help the major league team.

I’m not talking about a Bavasi-esque gutting of the top minor league talent, so don’t get that idea. I’m suggesting that the M’s identify the top players in their system, the ones that will eventually help the M’s win. Keep those players and trade some of the other. While those players might fetch smaller rewards, thats fine with me. There’s no reason to keep players that are blocked from getting time with the Mariners by better players. 

Roster Maintenance

Harrison’s take on this is really good, but he missed one very obvious name that needs to be removed from the M’s 40 man roster. There isn’t a player who’s less worthy of a roster spot than Michael Saunders. There is simply no legitimate reason for him to remain with the team. He has no trade value whatsoever, and has no ability to help ever help the major league team. It’s time to cut him loose.

Waive: Ceasar Jimenez, Jeff Gray, David Aardsma, Chris Gimenez, Mike Wilson

Free-Agents: Jamey Wright, Josh Bard, Adam Kennedy, Wily Mo Pena

Non-Tender: Luis Rodriguez, Michael Saunders

Down to: 32 Roster Spots

Add: Carlos Triunfel, Fransico Martinez, Chih-Hsien Chaing

40 man roster sits at 35.

I’ll also use Harrison’s salary numbers. They seem about right.

$ Spent: $69 mil (per MLBtraderumors.com)

$ Cap: $91 mil

$ Left: $ 22 mil

Identifying Needs:

People will dispute a number of these points. The truth is that the M’s have more needs than they can fill in one offseason. I think most of you who’ll take the time to read this will believe that a RF upgrade is after Ichiro’s 2011 season. Unfortunately, I believe that it will have to wait until next season. There’s just too many other things that need done, and Ichiro’s contract essentially ties the hands of Mariner management.

3B: Figgins clearly doesn’t belong there. Kyle Seager is a second baseman, not a third baseman. He doesn’t hit well enough for third. Alex Liddi isn’t a major leaguer at this point and likely never will be. His strike out rate is ungodly high. The M’s wont get better by inserting more strikeouts into their lineup.

LF: While there are plenty of young guys who would like to audition for the LF spot, none of them offers and upgrade that will generate wins. Unless the M’s want to lose 90 games again, they need to find an upgrade in LF.

C: Miguel Olivo offered little behind the plate last season. Adam Moore was supposed to use 2011 to develop into the player than could be counted on for 2012, but he lasted just 2 games before being lost for the season with a knee injury. There are not serious questions about whether or not his knee will let me stick behind the plate going forward.

Rotation: The M’s need a 5th starter. Preferably someone who can be moved at the deadline. Danny Hultzen and James Paxton will both likely to be called up at some point of 2012. There’s no reason to make it overly difficult to make that happen. While Charlie Furbush could hold down a roster spot while we wait for one of them to be ready, I think it’s wiser to make sure that the M’s have someone who can stay in the rotation all season in case one or both of the kids struggles a bit and needs additional time in Tacoma.

Trades

Mariners trade Chone Figgins and Yoervis Medina to the Cubs for Carlos Zambrano. The money in this deal is roughly even, but the years aren’t. I propose that the team’s pay out the contract for the players they signed. Meaning the M’s are on the hook for 9 mil this season and 8 next season, while the Cubs pay 18 this season and then are done.

This deal is a garbage for garbage deal, and is also win-win for both teams. The M’s get a pitcher with top of the rotation ability in Zambrano. He’ll likely be tradable mid-season if he has a solid first half, provided that the M’s pick up some of his salary. If not, then he’s mostly at least likely going to be a type-B free agent and thus will net the M’s a draft pick. He fills the need for another starter, and will be gone by 2013 to open up a rotation spot for one of the Paxton-Hultzen duo.

The deal works for the Cubs because they will be desperate to get something for Zambrano, instead of just cutting him. He’s clearly done in Chicago after walking out on his team. Figgins offers a 3rd base option now that that Amaris Ramirez is a free agent. Figgins could also be utility player if they find another 3rd base option. Plus, with the M’s covering the tab on Figgins for the 2013 season, the Cub could cut him loose if he fails and owe him nothing. While most M’s fans think that Figgins is worthless, there’s a belief throughout baseball that he’s due to rebound, especially if he can get away from Seattle.

Including Medina in the deal sweetens the deal the Cubs. Medina is a guys who, once moved to the bullpen, will be fast tracked to the majors. The Cubs have one of, if not the worst farm systems in the league right now. A solid bullpen prospect would be a solid ”get” and helps offset the risk of Figgins being a complete failure.

Money left: 22 mil

Mariners trade Brandon League, Trayvon Robinson, and Kyle Seager to the Nationals for 3B Ryan Zimmerman

Zimmerman’s time with Washington is coming to a rapid end now that the Nationals have Anthony Rendon is waiting in the wings. The Nationals could also use the salary relief granted by trading Zimmerman. Seager, Robinson and League all fill needs that the National’s have.

Mariner fans will see this as giving up too much, but Seager is blocked and thus is no more than a utility player on the Mariners. Robinson is at best a 4th outfielder, and the M’s have other, better options for that roll, and League going to be an expensive reliever that is a luxury the M’s don’t need.

Money left: $14 million

Free Agents

David Aardsma, RP – 1 yr, one mil + incentives.

In my opinion, Aardsma will require more to re-sign than Harrison indicated. Aardsma is a decent reliever, and will want to chance to re-establish himself as a major leaguer on a one year deal, hoping to cash in a year from now. He’s a good fit in Seattle, who needs another late inning option.

Money left: $14 million

Ramon Hernandez, C – 2 yrs, 4 million per year

As a 2 WAR catcher, Hernandez is the best available catcher. He’s a decent upgrade over Olivo and is a reasonable stop-gap while the M’s wait for some of that low-A catching talent to mature. In then scenario, Miguel Olivo stays with the M’s. Adam Moore needs to start 2012 in AAA after missing all of 2011, and might never be ready for the bigs after a major knee injury. If he is, then the M’s can trade Olivo mid-season and bring Moore up then.

Money left: $10 million

Grady Sizemore, OF – 2 yr, 7 mil per season.

Signing Sizemore is a big risk. His price tag is high for a guy who hasn’t been able to stay healthy, but he offers instant credibility to the M’s offense when he’s in the lineup. Sizemore is a former CF, who will be able to handle the spacious LF at Safeco.

Money left: $3 million

Additional Moves:

The $3 million left would be used for minor league deals, or reserved for mid-season call ups.

Minor league FA deals: there will be a few, but only a couple that matter in to the big league team: Nick Punto, Greg Dobbs.

The Final Roster

Lineup:

RF Ichiro
2B Dustin Ackley
3B Ryan Zimmerman
LF Grady Sizemore
DH Mike Carp
1B Justin Smoak
CF Franklin Gutierrez
C Ramon Martinez
SS Brendan Ryan

Bench:

C Miguel Olivo
OF Casper Wells
IF Greg Dobbs
Utl Nick Punto

Rotation: Felix Hernandez, Carlos Zambrano, Michael Pineda, Jason Vargas, Blake Beavan

Bullpen: David Aardsma, Chance Ruffin, Dan Cortez, Tom Wilhelmson, Josh Lueke, Shawn Kelly, Charlie Furbush

Final Thoughts

This isn’t a sexy off-season plan. There’s no Prince Fielder listed. No Yu Darvish being brought in from Japan. No blockbust trade for Matt Holliday. Instead it is a bunch of smaller moves that I believe create a balanced lineup and a solid young pitching staff.

It also does so without mortgaging the future hugh contracts, or selling the farm. I’ve only traded away 3 prospects, and no free agent is signed for over 2 years. I’ve also taken care not to block a major prospect like Nick Franklin, James Paxton or Danny Hultzen.

The bench is a bit of a concern. On top of being the starting DH, Carp is also the backup 1B and 5th outfielder. Punto is solid defensively, but offers no bat and thus isn’t worthwhile as a pinch hitter. Dobbs can hit a little, but is a throw in as the 25th man on the roster. The bullpen is also really young. Furbush would be the long guy in the pen, and the rest are mostly 1 inning guys. I’d expect Wilhelmsen and Ruffin to be stretched out so they could routinely throw 2 innings when needed.

I also like that there’s organizational depth in this plan. If Sizemore goes on the DL for an extended period, Halaman or Peguero are still around to fill in (though Wells would get the majority of the planning time I hope.) Liddi could come up if there’s an injury at 1st, 3rd, or DH. Punto is already on there to cover an injury in the middle infield, and Adam
Moore would be in Tacoma for if there’s a catcher injury.

So what do you guys think? Too much? too little? Or am I completely delusional?
Keith is also the editor of 12th Man Rising. Fansided’s blog dedicated to the Seattle Seahawks.

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maqman 33 pts

Good to see you back Keith. I don't see Zimmerman being available until Rendon proves his value. Zimm gets $12MM next season and $14MM in 2013 and then he's gone. Sizemore may be local but he's going to a team that can contend and has a hitters park - the anti-Ms. - and only for a one year contract to reestablish his value. Doubt we can get the best catcher available due to too many competing teams needing him, we might get Shopach or Snyder to carry us for a couple of seasons.

KenLeder 8 pts

Zimmerman trade doesn't make any sense to the Nationals. As Valenica said it isn't a good package, 3rd base hasn't been much of an offensive position in recent years and he is under contract for three seasons. Anthony Rendon is not a good argument, as he isn't ready yet and he very will could end up moving to a different position (2B).

"Alex Liddi isn’t a major leaguer at this point and likely never will be. His strike out rate is ungodly high."

There has been guys with similar minor league strikeout rates at his age level that ended up having solid years at the major league level. Strikeouts isn't everything, Let's have a little more belief in our guys!!! ;) I just wanted to say that because I like the guy. LOL

I like the idea of Grady Sizemore, but why would you gurantee 2 seasons at 7 mil per year. That doesn't make any sense. Your getting into the Figgins contract territory (at least of what's left). You can't tie up another 8% of the budget on Grady Sizemore for 2 guranteed years. I don't care if he starts hitting the light out, with that kind of approach I can't be confident in the FO going forward.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

KenLeder Nations need a starting 2B and late inning bullpen help. They also need outfield depth. Rendon might not be ready, but he will be before that team is ready to contend. Zimmerman is only under contract for 2 more seasons, so his value decreases the longer they hold on to him. Now is the best time to trade him if they want to get the most for him.

As for Liddi, I'm simply not going to fall into the trap of most fans of overvaluing them simply because they're "our guys." If I'm not mistaken, he just set the PCL record for strikeouts in a season. He also doesn't have a walk rate even close to enough to make up for it. I have very very serious doubts that he'll ever be able to hit MLB pitching.

As for Sizemore, when healthy he's worth twice that, or more. We're taking about a guy with 4 straight years of 6+ WAR. If he hadn't spent most of the last 2 season on the DL, He'd be making 20 mil next season. 2 years is required to sign him. He'll get that from someone. 7 mil might be a bit much, or it might not. I was going to suggest 5, but was trying to be make sure I predicted enough, and the team has the money so it didn't matter.

Figgins was 9 mil a year for 4 years for a player who was a 3 WAR player for most of his career. Sizemore is twice the player, at less cost, for half the years. It's actually a good contract and even remotely comparable in my opinion.

KenLeder 8 pts

Keith_12thMR

That is the problem, Sizemore used to be. He is banged up and is trying to change his swing to help prevent a reoccurance of his injuries. That doesn't sound like a guy who will net two guranteed years without some kind of vesting option at 7 mil per year. I would never suggest a 2 guranteed year for a guy like him and yes I am aware that he was one of the best players around before his injuries, but you are going way overboard with the gurantees. Why would you want to overpay the market value when you can get him with less gurantees. You don't spend the money just b/c it's left, this doesn't work like a video game. hint hint...incentive deal + gurantees.

I understand what you are saying about Liddi, I don't like his chances either, but I like him. LOL

They need a starting 2B, but they will likely look to do it in other ways where they don't need to open up a new whole without a 3B ready to fill in which is why I am under the belief that Mariners would have to give up different pieces plus Seager. Other teams can easily topple your initial offer you suggested. 3rd base offense is a scarcity right now. They would need to give up a little more then the guy you called out as being a 4th outfielder yourself. I sure hope Jack gets him, but it will cost more unless we see a Cliff Lee to the Mariners version 2.0.

KenLeder 8 pts

Keith_12thMR or a possible vesting option for sizemore!! I'm all for that.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

KenLeder That is a damn good idea. I wish I'd thought of it.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

KenLeder I didn't explain it that well. I didn't mean the M's should spend extra because they have it. I meant that, as the author of a blog post, I'd make it 7 instead of 5 because I'd rather error on the high side when predicting the market value of a player like that. I think it's better to do so then the alternative. I've seen fans predict Fielder could be signed for 12 mil. That's laughable, as he'll sign for twice that. To me it's about credibility.

So what about a $5 mil contract for 1 year with 2 mil in incentives, and a team option for year 2 at 7 mil, that automatically vests at 350 plate appearances? Same money, but a lot less risk to the team. Probably will take more than that to sign him, but it would be a better contract for the team if he'd take it.

KenLeder 8 pts

Keith_12thMR I like it tho the vesting option amount for year two likely will be more then that which is perfectly fine if he was able to sustain a relatively healthy season. I wasnt too concerned about the 7 mil guarantee for the first year as I was more concerned about your suggested year 2 as a guarantee that you originally suggested. I like your offseason plans even better then I did before now.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

KenLeder I'm curious as what you think it would take to pry Zimmerman from DC. Seager is a natural fit I think. League has a lot of value to anyone. If they don't want him then the M's could get a 3rd team involved. The third piece could be trickier. I suggested Robinson because the M's don't need him. Perhaps Triunfel would be a better fit in the deal.

I also think they would be wise to do it now, as his value will only go down as he gets closer to the end of his contract. I know it's robbing peter to pay paul in a sense, but they're getting a young/cheep player that they can build around for an older player with declining trade value. They could also patch the 3B hole with someone like Kouzmanoff or, if they want to spend the money, Amaris Ramirez. Hell, throw in Alex Liddi if it makes the deal happen.

Harrison_Crow 17 pts

I actually agree. There is no reason what so ever for the Nationals to give up Zim. Plus he's been quoted as saying he wants to stick around the organization for as long as possible.

The Nats are going to go for next year and second base is not an issue for them it's shortstop. Danny Esponsa might get moved to where he's a natural at and they'll bring up Steve Lombardozzi, who's going to be a solid second basemen for them.

I did something like Brendan Ryan, Franklin Gutierrez, Kyle Seager trade that brought Esponsa our way. But even that just didn't make the cut.

All in all though Keith it's a good take. Thanks for throwing this up!

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

Harrison_Crow I looked at Esponsa as their SS. Didn't see Lombardozzi when I was trying to figure out their needs. Esponsa-Seager would be an amazing DP combo, which was where that deal came from. Guess not. oh well.

Like I said, my take on this was guaranteed to be less researched than yours was. It was fun to put together. Now I get to go back to scouting NFL draft prospects and trying to figure out how to fix the Seahawks offense.

valenica 6 pts

That Zimmerman trade would never happen. Mariners fans will think it's giving up too much? We're not giving up anything!

Ramon Hernandez is a Type-A FA. Keep that in mind before you pencil him in as our new C.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

valenica our first rounder is protected, so we'd only be giving up our round 2 draft pick. not a major problem in my book.

As for the Zimmerman trade, I think it's a pretty even trade. M's fans greatly overvalue the 3 players I'm suggesting be used as compensation, but that isn't my concern. I don't really care if the fans are upset if it helps create a winning team.

valenica 6 pts

Keith_12thMR 2nd round draft pick is still a big deal. We got Seager and Miller with that pick. Would you give up a potential Kyle Seager to sign Hernandez over another Catcher like Snyder? I wouldn't. Our organizational strength is drafting, so giving up a pick hurts us more than other organizations.

As for Zimmerman, a #7, #8 prospect and an overrated closer is not even close to fair for 2 years of the 2nd best 3B in the game. 2 years of Zimmerman would take probably 2 top 5 prospects, a #7/8, and a MLB player that fills a hole. You're overrating our players. Nothing outside of our top 5 is valuable, except to buy depth pieces.