My Thoughts on the Trade


Harrison already posted his thoughts, and did quite a nice job, but I’d also like to get out there exactly how I feel about it.

This trade is, to sum it up in one word, awesome. Not only are we significantly improving our chances of being a serious contender in 2010, but we’re doing it without giving up all that much of the future. Yes, Aumont has really good stuff, but he’s a relief prospect, and there’s only so much value a relief prospect can have. JC Ramirez is a nice little pitching prospect, but he’s far from a sure thing, and I prefer Pineda anyway. As for Gillies – he’s really fast, which is cool, but there’s a pretty good chance he’ll never be much more than a fourth outfielder.

The fact that Jack Zduriencik managed to land a full year of Cliff Lee (and his ridiculously small $9 million salary), plus the two compensatory draft picks that we’ll get when he walks, without giving up ANY of our top five prospects, is nothing short of miraculous. We have a really special man occupying our GM position, make no mistake.

So, does this move instantly make us the favorites for the AL West crown in 2010? No, but once we’ve signed/traded for a first baseman and a DH, we’ll most certainly be good enough to be right up there with both the Angels and the Rangers – and that’s coming barely a year after the completion of a 101 loss season.

In case any of you are wondering exactly how good Cliff Lee is, here are some of the key numbers that he put up in 2009 (while dealing with a high BABIP against, by the way), in both leagues:

tRA: 3.57

FIP: 3.11

K/BB: 4.21

WAR: 5.7

And if those numbers look nice, keep in mind that he was significantly better in 2008.

What we’re getting here is an ace. A lot of us have been hoping for the acquisition of a real #2 starter – well, we got another #1 instead. With Felix and Lee at the top of our rotation, aside from maybe the Diamondbacks (Webb and Haren), no team in baseball has anything close to as good of a 1-2 punch.

Oh, and to echo what Jeff over at LL has said, towards anyone comparing this deal to the Bedard deal: Don’t. This isn’t even similar.

A) Cliff Lee is much better than Bedard has ever been

B) Cliff Lee is not an injury risk

C) The prospects we’re giving up in this deal aren’t anywhere near as good as the prospects we gave up to get Bedard

D) A win-now move makes a whole lot more sense right now than it did in 2008

The other big positive about this trade, which has already been mentioned by a lot of different people, is that it really hurts the Angels – and more importantly, their fans. Think about it.

The Angels lost Figgins to us, a division rival

The Angels lost Lackey to Boston, of all places

The Angels couldn’t get Halladay

The Angels couldn’t get Lee, and he’s coming to us, a division rival

The Angels may now resort to trading for Derek Lowe, which would be hilarious and awesome

There are about 50 different angles to view this trade from, and we look fantastic from each and every one of them. Don’t question it, just enjoy it – this is a great time to be a Mariners fan.

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  • Harrison Crow

    The Angels are desperate and don’t discount them selling big to stay in the hunt. I look at guys like Brandon Webb, Josh Johnson and then of course there is Ben Sheets still available. However, with the Yankees expressing interest who knows whats going to happen there. They are being backed into a corner and I wonder what that is going to provoke them to do.

  • sam sampson

    Don’t get excited. Remember Bedard? Its still the messed up Mariners, look for a 3rd place in the lowrent west.Figgins is a speedy utility player, so what?

  • http://sodomojo.com Griffin Cooper

    I’m just gonna quote myself.

    “Oh, and to echo what Jeff over at LL has said, towards anyone comparing this deal to the Bedard deal: Don’t. This isn’t even similar.

    A) Cliff Lee is much better than Bedard has ever been

    B) Cliff Lee is not an injury risk

    C) The prospects we’re giving up in this deal aren’t anywhere near as good as the prospects we gave up to get Bedard

    D) A win-now move makes a whole lot more sense right now than it did in 2008″

    I’m guessing you’re an Angels fan, no?

  • Chad

    Definitely an Angels fan is what Mr.Sampson is. I can’t talk, because I have been publicly saying that i didn’t believe that the Mariners would be able to contend with the Angels next season with the team we currently had about a month ago. Griffin and Harrison quickly jumped on me and made me realize that what I said was pretty damn ridiculous. So for you to come on here and say that we are going to be the third place team in a bad division (although every baseball mind believes we will be one of the stronger divisions next season), is pretty ridiculous. The Bedard comparison is pretty dumb as well, which Griffin explained why. It’s alright though, you are an Angels fan. Either that or you sound like you are a fan from a team of the AL East who thinks that they are superior to everyone else.

  • http://www.deathtoflyingthings.wordpress.com deathtoflyingthings

    great trade no matter how you look at it! I am excited for the season to start already with all these big moves being made.

  • Chad

    I get this feeling like Lee is kind of pissed off to be going to Seattle. I don’t know why, I can see how you would be kind of upset after being traded to a world series team and then being used up and then being traded away. I hope he isn’t disappointed. I wonder when we will here from him, he is like the only one of the players that we haven’t heard from yet.

  • Randy

    This is a very nice deal for the Mariners. Don’t get me wrong, but not to mention the S.F. Giants as having a top rated pitching duo is a little silly — especially after mentioning Arizona’s top two. There is not a team in either league that wouldn’t take either Tim Linsecum (two-time national league Cy winner), Matt Cain, or Jon Sanchez in a heartbeat. Not two aces on the staff, but three potentially.

    Lee and Felix make a very nice pair, but I’d rather have the Giants staff if the choice were up to me.

  • http://sodomojo.com Griffin Cooper

    I don’t consider Matt Cain or Jonathan Sanchez to be aces. They’re both well above average, but Cain had a ton of luck on his side this year. Lincecum, of course, is one of the best, if not THE best pitcher in the game.

    Personally, I think I’d go with the Mariners rotation. Felix and Lee is superior to Lincecum and Cain, (only because Lee is significantly better than Cain), while Sanchez is marginally better than Ryan Rowland-Smith. It’s a tough call though.

  • Harrison Crow

    Are you joking me? Felix and Lee are so much better than Lincecum and Cain. Awesome pitchers. Great duo. But Felix is a 6-7 WAR pitcher Lee is also a 6-7 WAR pitcher. Neither Cain nor Sanchez has ever accumulated such value.

    Now Tim Lincecum is a better pitcher averaging 7-8 WAR … but Felix is quickly showing that he is very similar pitcher to Lincecum, and maybe just as good.

    Also Webb/Haren is a better pairing than Lincecum/Cain.

    Now as a trio with Morrow or RRS sure Sanchez, Cain and Lincecum are better. Potentially Morrow could be just as good as Sanchez. But, he may never actually get there… but again you were only talking potential.